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It seems as if the fact that SP2 got installed automatically by the Windoze XP updater service, solved my earlier problems with games not running properly. I haven't tried the FoY demo that I had problems with earlier, but I had problems with other games as well. Even the IndyLC2demo works OK, so do Fatman and a few other games. Just wanted to let you know, I couldn't find the old thread anymore so I made a new one.

Hey, I'm really interested in this. But I can't download even the tech demo.
Neither the Download link nor the direct download link seem to do it for me.This is a bummer! I wanna trai!

DutchMarco, I don't think you realize how casual and spontanious Mittens is.
I'll predict that you'll visit the local shop almost daily. And for the stuff they don't sell there you'll visit a big supermarket (may I suggest Leclerc, they are hure!).
You'll buy your own food and drinks, though others will treat you on food and snacks as well.
Despite the rumours, Mittens is not a beerfest and I'm sure some mitteneers don't even drink.

But what do I know, I'm not even going.

Don't worry, I understand (from the neture of this website) and am glad that Mittens isn't a tighly regulated thing, I was just wondering. Since this would be my first Mittens. Hypermarchés are very common in France (and usually stuffed away in a remote area of the village, so you'll need a car to get there, but since I didn't expect us to have a schedule for who does the chateau-travail (housework) and when, so I thought we would be going to restaurants.

It's a French tradition to buy freshly baked bread every morning, and throw away what you can't eat because there's always something left
BTW my English vocabulary doesn't seem to have an entry for the word "hure", it keeps brining up the substitute "huge" - It's not just the Leclerc ones which are huge, Casino and any other hypermarkets are hure as well!

I must admit that it seems appealing to negate the necessity to cook, but I'm trying to think of my health here (and will be trying to do so over there as well). So, just for the sake of breaking our fast in a sane manner, I would suggest we also get some orange juice and similar non-alcoholic beverages, the beer can wait until lunch. I recall hearing during my holidays in the US the term "peanutbutter and jam", so wouldn't that do for breakfast? 

I'm sure we'll survive, don't take this post as " OMG, he's serious! what's he thinking?" No, I'm notserious, I'm only joking (and I AM  thinking, thank you very much).

I see. I hthought about eating out because, it might be a hoped miracle to find someone willing to do all the cooking and cleaning (I'm willing to at least do some cooking, I have a nice recipe for pastasauce which I'm sure you'll like - we sleep in dorm bedrooms right? I'll cut down on the garlic then.) and with cooking comes washing, but I suppose we could all behave like responsible adults :o let's hope we can do that during Mittens dishwashing time, too, and not just at work!

One thing I'm curious about, being a MitteNewbie: How are boring but essential things like food etc. arrranged? (speaking of dinner, breakfast will usually be eaten in the chateau I presume) We'll eat out I presume? (does that make sense in English?) / get some takeaway / what have you

2 cars sounds like a great idea! I am all for cheaper with more trunk space!

Darth, would you still want to drive our car? Are you coming in through CDG airport?
I would drive but I don't think I can without a European license.

I think (but I'm not sure) that all you'd need is an international driver's license, which is a copy of your own national driver's license, whicg makes it wasier for the authorities you wouldn't hope to meet during your vacation (or when driving to work or ...) could read your license. Oh, and it might help if you learn to drive with a stick shift. Automatic gearboxes are rather rare in continent. They are commonly only found in big ex[ensive cars (you want to rent a Mercedes?) or in smaller cars intended for people who are too demented to drive with stickshift, but tghey still want to drive (can you spell run for your life?)

What would be the most ideal situation for me (being a driver) would be to pick people up from a nearby trainstation (I duno if the trains get all the way to the chateau / village).  So there *will* be a car available at the chateau (mine - good for shopping at a hypermarché) and people don't have to go through all the fuss of renting a car. And I won't have to travel all the way to Paris to pick people up from the airport. To Americans it wouldn't seem like such a big distance but if you grew up in such a small country like I did, you'd think differently about it. I can drop off Radiant and FruitTree at the chateau before picking you people up at the station, that would mean more room on the seats and in the trunk.

Dunno if this has already been mentioned, but I personally feel that the fat black lines between the walls and the floor etc. are ugly. I think it would be best to use other means for designating each wall's orientation. / make the surfaces distinct from eachother. like some shading,, a different colour for the far wall, a pattern on it (like boarding, or wallpaper) the will have to run as per the rules of geometric design.

I'm a northpaw (by that I mean: righthanded), but still I thought I'd reply to your post, because:

I bought a tablet because I wanted to make a game, and drawing with a mouse  just didn't do it for me, so I bought a pen tablet, so glad I did! The game is put on indefinite hold, but I still use the tablet for general mousing around. It works so much nicer than  a mouse; a machanical one  always would slip, and an optical one would sometimes jump instead of gracefully sliding as I did actually move it.

So bottom line is this: you probably can't go wrong with getting a pen tablet.

Oh wait the bottom line is this:
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s for cellphones ... I am planning on getting a new phone this month, so I will ensure it works over-seas!

I have a disappointment in stock for you: There is a very slim chance of an American one working in Europe (and vice versa), there were (don't know if they still exist)phones that worked at both the European and American frequencies. Big chances are that you won't get one when buying a new one. So make sure you get one which also shoots photos and/or plays MP3s, so it'll be of some minor use ove here...

Actually, I happen to live near Schiphol (Leiden, to be precise) so I would be interested in coming along.

I do have several gigs of MP3s if you want them

Hi Radiant, I'm from Oostzaan, which is right next to Amsterdam, so I believe I'm closer to Schiphol than you are. For some silly reason it feels like I'd be making a detour going to Leiden when I'm supposed to go to France (The last time I was in Leiden, it felt like quite a distance to get there - by Dutch standards of course! I've read somewhere that the state of New Jersey is about 2x as big.)
Of course, I'm being silly  , and obviously I'd be willing to pick you up!

About those MP3s, what is in them? And BTW I have 8GB USB-sticks, does anyone have a laptop they'll be taking with them? (with conversion plugs/cords for the French power outlets?) I think I might take mine with me, but I don't (yet) have conversion plugs/cords for the French outlets.

OK it might be a bit late to say rhis, but I will be driving from the Netherlands to France. So I'lll be able to pick people up from the airport. Preferably Amsterdam airport (Schiphol), since that's close to where I live.

FYI: I have an Alfa Romeo 156, should carry about 4 with (not too much) luggage, at a bit of a push.  I can seat about 5 slim people on the back seat, I have an MP3 player for a carstereo with a USB-interface. Oh, but don't erxpect that I'll allow Dance music in my car, with me in it! (and I come with it, so that last bit is a given.) FYI: my tastes include Led Zep etc, Pink Floyd, Hidria Spacefolk, Can, Kingston Wall and similar Prog), I'm not an intolerant soup-nazi or something, but Now you know what I like best.  Look up the "ear wurm" on Wikipedia, I have that easily with chartsmusic.

Additional:  I can seat 5 slim people on the backseat, but they'd also need slim luggage or else it wouldn't fit. In fact, in general I'd prefer bags because I can stow them in the trunk more efficiently (the trunk isn't that big).
If I'll pick people up at the airport, I'll probably be recognizable by the mediumsized darkblue cup I'll be waving, I'll be the only grown person looking foolish waving a cup, so that I'll be easily recognizable from any distance.

There's place for at least 5 more people, so yeah, you can come, Marco

It would be great, if AGA would PM me his payment details (the PNG went 404, just waiting for AGA's Paypal address). I hope to be able to pay ASAP.

Correction: I just recieved AGA's PM and paid the E122 (Damn! I can't type the euro-symbol on ths keyboard! 

Count me in! I also voted for rance, so it would be the right thing to come as well. I'm also quite curious about experiencing Mittens (at least once).

I have a car, so I should be able to pick people up from the airport. But: due to an accident I had 2 years ago, I'm not allowed to drive at the moment ( :o no it wasn't a car-accident, it was a motorbike one) and it is taking quite a while to regain permission to drive again. :'(sss

Is there still place for me? I won't snend money (by Paypal or any other means) until that's confirmed, but I'll pay up as soon as I have the confirmation. I promise.

OK I installed DX9 and vvverified it with DXDiag, (just to be sure), Now, I still have problems running this game. (I run it windowed BTW) I get to hear all the nice soundeffects and music, but I get to see an empty window frame. It seems to draw OK (ish; most of the window is painted over, but some bits of the window's background  are sitill visible in the frame, I believe even moving it moves this "'residue"  with theframe) inside this frame if I change focus to another window.

I need to run it in 640x400, the original 320x200 causes problems and won't run the game.

I'm embarassed to admit that I seem to be running v5. I thought I had installed a newer version! Will do so ASAP and let you know.

Chances are I have 9.0something installed then. Just don't go asking me to install Vista (please)!

I had this PC newly installed, so I tried installing new bits only. It's rather hard to find DX8.x on MS's site nowadays, I reckon. They'll want to only make available 9 or 10.

So can anyone tell me which tool is used to detect the number of the  installed version?

Rui, the proble, is not it's loosing focus and regaining it. I'm quite a single-tasked gamer, at most I'll drink something during the game, or answer the phone or go to the bathroom (game paused in both cases).

I'll reconsider SP2. I was hoping having DX 10 installed would negate the need for SP2.

]fee, KhrisMUC and Pumaman, I personally, like SP1. SP2 introduces all sorts of other things which I'm not too happy about, like DRM.

Radiant, I can't run full-screen, my PCI-E graphics card doesn't know that resolution. Oh, the good old DOS-days... don't remember any problems with low screen resolutions not being supported in my OS/2-days... (the hardware was different wayback then, also, but I still have one of those fab PS/2 keyboards) Anyway, I need to run winsetup.exe to choose windowed mode becauseusing 320x200 x 16 bit is not aupported, I then try 640x400, ignore the warning that this game wasn't designed for this res. and the game starts in FS mode, I hear the noises (jungle sounds and indy theme) at a black screen, with an enlarged window frame with what would be a clickable "minimize" button if I had a mouse cursor.I also see part of the X-button (can't tell if it's greyed out)

In fact, I can run Lemmings in full screen without any trouble, using the mouse. (search for "lemmings xp"and you'll find a site (some PC magazine) to download it from.

I do believe I've installed DX10. over a fresh installation of XP SP1. There was a tool to show which DX-version you're on, what was it called again?

There, this sheds a new light on my problems, doesn't it?