Use a 3D program to create Characters and Animations

Started by ............................................................, Tue 04/09/2012 06:27:45

Previous topic - Next topic

Babar

She seems to have a REALLY REALLY tight and uncomfortable wedgie :P.
The ultimate Professional Amateur

Now, with his very own game: Alien Time Zone

Armageddon

I wouldn't be against this if people made their own character models.


Armageddon

Well good job then, it looks like one of those character models that you get in a pack with 100% perfect fitness and proportions (to the artists tastes :P ).

WHAM

Call me old-fashioned, but I don't like the 3D -> 2D sprite transformations, and I'd prefer well-made 2d sprites any day.

3D models always make me expect fluid animation and more variations, as you would expect to have with a freely poseable 3D model, but as AGS cannot support such, and even the best 3D models have to be downgraded into 2D sprites in the process, the results have never managed to impress me to the least. Most of all it just seems lazy to me, as for the most part it is possible to pick up a readily-packed 3D model of a body, tweak it a little bit, and then download a readily-packed skeletal model to animate a walkcycle, and then just rotate that on the screen and grab stills for the sprites. Too easy and never looks quite right. Especially when using 3D model -based sprites on 3D model -based flat backgrounds, the results very often look extremely jarring and disjointed, whereas a "true sprite" (be it a hand-drawn an scanned image, or a pixellated low-res image) mesh more easily due to the inherent 2 dimensional properties of the source material. I think it's something about how the human eye expects something to work and move, and 3D -> 2D transformation sort of messes up with those expectations.

Hope that made any sense. :)

On a different note:
The animations seem fairly good, but I must say I really dislike the 3D model. The proportions seem overtly sexualized and comically disproportioned. This is the sort of body model I would expect to see in one of those cheap 3D poser porn comics, or perhaps in a joke game. I don't mean that as an offense, and depending on the tone of the game you are planning the character might be spot on, but if you are planning anything with any seriousness, I warmly recommend you re-think some of the aspects of the body at least.
Wrongthinker and anticitizen one. Utterly untrustworthy. Pending removal to memory hole.



Ali

You seem a little offended, but people are just trying to offer advice. We naturally recoil when we see poser sprites because they normally look awful, but people are giving you useful feedback.

The face struck me as being remarkably un-poser, in that it looks like a real person, so you've achieved something there. The lighting doesn't help though. Her face is in shade and the brightest part are her breasts which, given the crop-top, probably don't need to be accentuated further.

The jeans seem to be painted onto her legs which, as Babar pointed out, makes her bottom look really odd.

My last thought would be that the character looks (hidden to avoid offence):

Spoiler
A little trashy to me. Sorry.
[close]

It may be an exact replica of your friend, but you need to look objectively at it to see how other people will read your character. And you can't complain too much when other people are objective. This look may be fine depending on the story, but people would struggle to believe her as a lawyer for example.


WHAM

Quote from: WLN73 on Tue 04/09/2012 08:17:39
.... but no one has read ".... and the FIRST result is not bad" ?!?!? Here everyone can make a game in a day? Blessed are you .... I, as a poor mortal, do a tests before ...

It's the critic's lounge, you are receiving critique.
Despite the fact that I dislike the style, I did my best to offer you at least some critique and opinions that I hoped would prove useful to you. But if your first response is "if you don't like it, don't look", that sounds to (me at least) like you only wanted positive feedback.

No harm no foul, though, as I said; it's your game and your character, we are here only to give opinions and critique so that you can know what others see in this sprite and can at least try to improve yourself based on that feedback. :)

Oh, and my apologies to Roberta, but if she REALLY has a body like that, I am VERY afraid of what plastic surgery has become able to do! ;)
Wrongthinker and anticitizen one. Utterly untrustworthy. Pending removal to memory hole.

Ali

WHAM is right (and I don't often say that). Try not to get offended, people are trying to be helpful. This thread has several suggestions you can follow up to improve your sprite, instead of getting upset with Armageddon. He's not accusing you of using someone else's model, he's just saying her body looks like the generic poser models.

It's normal for people to post images which are revised and improved based on feedback.

WHAM

Quote from: WLN73 on Tue 04/09/2012 08:17:39
.... but no one has read ".... and the FIRST result is not bad" ?!?!? Here everyone can make a game in a day? Blessed are you .... I, as a poor mortal, do a tests before ...
I can't stand people that when opened the mouth make fart and not talking ( Armageddon ) What do you know who I am or what work i do!?!?! .... go find in a package this .... if you can .....

Wow, that degenerated quickly...

Well, good luck with that, I'm outta here. No need to even try and help a person who responds to feedback like that.
Wrongthinker and anticitizen one. Utterly untrustworthy. Pending removal to memory hole.


SMF spam blocked by CleanTalk