Am I A lucky Bastard?

monkey0506 · Fri 10/03/2006 14:59:47

Woah...at first I thought that was Leslie:

I don't know Leslie, but I know her ex. ([EDIT:] It's obviously not, just at first I thought it was) Anyway...I think any guy that has a girl in love with them should consider themselves lucky (assuming that he likes the girl back and she's not just some sort of psycho stalker chick (although those can be fun too

)). But...that's coming from me.

The Inquisitive Stranger · Fri 10/03/2006 15:06:06

Quote from: Helm on Fri 10/03/2006 07:07:02
Just make an effort to be there while everything is going on and not outside the box rationalizing everything and how you're going to talk about it on a message board.

What if it's more natural for you to rationalize everything than it is to be present?

Helm · Fri 10/03/2006 15:41:37

Then you will suffer for nothing. You will go directly from the 'wow, I am in a relationship!' to the pain and sadness of when the relationship collpases without having really experienced much fully.

The less you do it, the less it feels natural to do it. When you find yourself rationalizing when you should be living, stop. The control tool is words. Do not voice your rationalizations as often as you do. In lack of blabbering, you'll find more interesting things to do.

This doesn't mean that when there's problems they shouldn't be discussed. It means we shouldn't invent problems where there's none.

The Inquisitive Stranger · Fri 10/03/2006 15:47:42

But doesn't living in the moment make you suffer as well? I know it did for me at some point...

Afflict · Fri 10/03/2006 15:52:52

I remember 15 hehe that was funny, I was apparently very mature and always dating the older girls, (This seems to my trend) I even had a women of 29 confessing her love to me at the age of 19 well geez it was fun for awhile...

Never the less my point being, it doesnt matter how hot she is or you are... (Mr Potter) There are just certian unspoken ground rules and they are the same EVERYWHERE!

Dont go and stuff things up with the famous "I Luv You!" No, no.
Then dont be to clingy man she had a life before you and firends etc. (You wont believe the amount of idiots out there!)
Be spontanous hell if you over analys things like I do then (Fake it till you make it) And you will be spontanous eventually hell I learnt this quickly.
And sometimes you just dont care! (Its true it drives them nuts and they love you for it!)

I dunno why these things are like it is they just are!

Quote from: The Inquisitive Stranger on Fri 10/03/2006 15:47:42
But doesn't living in the moment make you suffer as well? I know it did for me at some point...

No hell NO! living the moments all you have! Lets face it the odds of having the same partner is pretty much impossible! I just enjoy the days as they pass I know I couldnt of been in a more stable relationship if I didnt experience my past partners!

The Inquisitive Stranger · Fri 10/03/2006 15:58:38

But you see, people only tell you to live in the moment when good things happen to you. What if you're at a point in your life where you're lonely and heartbroken? Should you live in the moment then? Huh? HUH?

Well, I suppose you can, but then all you'll do is write angsty poetry all day... which is fun for awhile, but gets old quickly.

Afflict · Fri 10/03/2006 16:08:22

A smile crossed my face when I read this as this is axactly what happens to me, I wrote poetry alot when this whole first love, second third fourth.. and like you said it got old quickly.

The interesting thing is when you spend your time doing what you have always done when that special someone was not in your life, now when they are. You tend to have a stronger relationship because the time spent together is not "mass" time its "quality " time.

So you dont get sick or bored of this person or it doesnt get old quickly because there is always fun and romance in the air! Instead of forcing your whole life sotry down the other persons throught in your first couple of dates becuase you have nothing to say just cut it short and make anything interesting and strange. You wont believe how this works on men and females alike.

Kinoko · Fri 10/03/2006 16:45:45

I've learnt in the past year or so that your life will only get better and better through having as many experiences as you can. Just accept that sometimes you'll go through pain and hardship, because the highs as long as you keep trying new things and trying to be happy will be WAY worth it! There's something really awesome about realising you've become a better person through experience ^_^

Helm · Fri 10/03/2006 16:47:23

Quote from: The Inquisitive Stranger on Fri 10/03/2006 15:58:38
But you see, people only tell you to live in the moment when good things happen to you. What if you're at a point in your life where you're lonely and heartbroken? Should you live in the moment then? Huh? HUH?

Well, I suppose you can, but then all you'll do is write angsty poetry all day... which is fun for awhile, but gets old quickly.

Yes. Live everything. The good and the bad. Emotional pain is only useful as something that has ended, I know. But this is a matter of fortitude, eventually. If you're scared to live the moment because the moment might turn ugly, then you shouldn't live at all.

I've come to realize opinions, words, the illusion of progress means very little. There's LIVING, and there's downtime (I am currently experiencing emotional downtime myself). We are animals that grow easily bored, so we make of the downtime the best we can, but the set of skills you develop during downtime (mental masturbation like rationalization, abstract connection of disparate event for fun, solving causal chain problems and the like) shouldn't impair you in enjoying a beautiful night spent with someone you care for, a nice movie, watching dusk break, playing with a cat, taking a deep breath of nothing and realizing that this is pretty awesome in the end.

If you let your personal perception of reality manifest intrusively all the time, it will inhibit your ability to be challenged by what really is there, you'll be trapped in your own little solipsistic world where you'll keep repeating the same damn words and rationalizations to yourself until you believe them fully, all the while foolishly construing a growing COMPLEX as 'personal growth' and progress. Be brave and realize you know nothing. Be brave and fall headfirst into the unfathomable vortex of existence!

QuoteThere's something really awesome about realising you've become a better person through experience ^_^

Do not believe her lies. You do not become better through experience. You just go through your path until you die. Do what you have time to do. There's the end death, and there's just entropic slowing down until you do nothing and just rationalize your situation ad nausaum. Do you have to go through two types of death?

The Inquisitive Stranger · Fri 10/03/2006 16:51:52

Okay... but how can I know for sure that what you're saying is true and what she's saying is a lie?

TheYak · Fri 10/03/2006 16:55:48

Because . . . she's a girl?

Helm · Fri 10/03/2006 16:58:57

I was semi-joking about her lying. I'm sure she believes her words to be valid as much as anyone else... All this is dependent on linguistic mechanisms that are very inexact and subjective, really. In the end I'm not telling you anything, nor do I think existentialism can be aritculated convincingly. This is an outlet for my own mental masturbation, you see, and I do not really seek to direct you in your life.

The only safe assumption I am willing to make and I make constantly, is that which invalidates language and these sets of tools we use so wrongly: what is the nature of knowledge? What is belief and what is 'truth'? Epistemologically challenging the foundations of communication is my only valid point. I am basically saying "you think you know, but you don't. I don't. We discuss because it's fun, not because it leads to truth. Experience cannot be articulated, it is personal and the only vital thing."

MarVelo · Fri 10/03/2006 20:39:44

THanks everyone. This is goin a little deeper than I thought because i dont even understand some of the stuff you guys are saying. so thanks anyway

biothlebop · Fri 10/03/2006 20:56:37

Love's deep, bro.

ManicMatt · Fri 10/03/2006 21:04:14

Quote from: Scummbuddy on Fri 10/03/2006 03:29:34

a) You really don't know what love is at 15. Trust me. You may think you do. You don't. I wish someone had told me the same. Oh boy, do I...

Would you at that age have paid any attention to someone if they had told you?

TaffyTom, you are a lucky bastard. I don't care what she looks like. Irrelevant from my perspective. You. Lucky. Bastard. You bastard. You BASTARD!! I'LL KILL YOU, YOU LUCKY BASTARD, YOU! GRAHHH!!!!!

(Don't take the second half of that paragraph seriously)

InCreator · Fri 10/03/2006 21:08:53

15? Totally safe age. I say go for it. All kinds of heart wounds DO heal. Yet.

But if you were 5 years or so older... oh well.

The Inquisitive Stranger · Sat 11/03/2006 00:40:32

Quote from: Helm on Fri 10/03/2006 16:58:57
In the end I'm not telling you anything, nor do I think existentialism can be aritculated convincingly. This is an outlet for my own mental masturbation, you see, and I do not really seek to direct you in your life.

Well, that's a relief. The practice of using words to teach someone that words are useless does make me suspicious, after all.

Quote from: InCreator on Fri 10/03/2006 21:08:53
All kinds of heart wounds DO heal.

What about the ones that kill you?

Afflict · Sat 11/03/2006 00:44:07

The ones that kill you dont matter cause your umm dead..

InCreator · Sat 11/03/2006 05:22:48

Duh!

Babar · Sat 11/03/2006 05:39:07

Hahah...apparently she has better judgement than you. She is able to look beyond appearances, but you seem to highlight them. If I took them upon the basis of how I look, I'd be amazed that I ever got into any relationships at all (not that I'm not).

I guess you are a lucky bastard.