A UFO theory.

[DazJ]

crop circls are made by dudes. its da pyramids that da aliens mad

dats gut ta knowz.

[EldKatt]

To clarify, when I asked for a particular piece of evidence, I meant something along the lines of this particular case of crop circles. Throwing out an entire category of evidence doesn't provide much grounds for evaluation. If I were talking to a young-Earth creationist, and I got the same kind of request--if I said "Okay, transitional fossils! How 'bout it?"--where would we go from there? If I said "Alright, how about Tiktaalik?" we could immediately get to why I find that particular piece of evidence compelling and why my opponent does not, which is really the core of the issue: why does the evidence convince you, and why does it not convince me--or vice versa.

[Pumaman]

Don't worry, the solution is at hand!!



So there we go folks -- if an alien invasion happens, we just need to whip up some tornados.

[Stupot]

Never mind the dark splodge, CJ.  It's obvious that your avatar is a close-up of that...
I'm more worried about that strange red circle surrounding it.

[m0ds]

Read that in the sun today, good stuff! I don't really want to dish out evidence, seen as I did it before, and all I heard back was "No", "No" and "No". So I can't be arsed to go into it anymore. With a new video, a new sighting, a new old case re-emerging everyday, I think you've got all the evidence you need. Its down to personal belief, and whether you want to say "yes" or "no. Still, I truly believe you'll get your evidence between now and 2013. So just wait a while

Interesting new videos showing something
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi1C223Nvjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbSkCqHwlJc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjoMgZgJ74s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CcxK7X7ZxQ

If anyone can tell me what man-made objects or crafts or things that can travel about 7000mph then please, pray tell I heard a quote on one of these videos last night, when, not long after Pearl Harbour & America's nuke retaliation, how 14 or so objects appeared on radar. Jets were scrambled and they dissapeared from radar. Jets returned, they appeared again. One jet was then surrounded by several glowing objects.

Can we really assume that military personel, radar operators watching the White House etc are going to bullshit? Is it even SAFE for us to believe they're "seeing things"? These are people trained with precision accuracy on all aerial matters etc. Airline pilots see these things frequently. Are they going to bullshit when they have 300 lives to worry about? Can we really believe its atmospheric stuff? Ball lightning is barely out there on video, but UFO sightings...?

[evenwolf]

Watched the videos.   The third one was the only one I'm convinced was not doctored footage or a remote control vehicle.  Looked like a plane.

[Darth Mandarb]

I love the 1st part of the fourth video (the mexican teen getting pawed at).

I can just hear the conversation before the event happend:

[potential] Victim: Hey man, can your cellphone take video?

Friend w/ Cellphone: Why as a matter of fact it can!

[potential] Victim: I have a great idea!  Why don't you, for no reason, record me walking away from you.  As I approach that pole over there I will, again for no reason, step a little closer to it!  Who knows?  It might turn out to be a great video!

Friend w/ Cellphone: What a great idea!

Come on!  Do they really expect anybody not to see how staged that was?  But the "mexican teen swears the footage is real" ... well, if he swears it.

Entertaining? Yes.

Laughably fake?  Indeed


As for the footage of the crafts flying about. 

They are most definitely UFOs. 

Aliens?  Nah

[m0ds]

Hehe, I like it. Watch the full clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS9vFXQo50E

He follows the path and steps toward the dropped ball, thats all. I agree his movement is a bit odd. But I still think it could be genuine.

1. Its definitely a mobile phone camera. The comping in of the alien is too perfect
2. There's plenty of stuff beforehand to show nothing is happening near the pole, could someone really hide there? And someone with an arm twice the length of our own, or someone with a fake arm? Good hiding if they did

Still, there's a funny sequel... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7arAvGBMBAo  which shows it is possible to hide there...

Despite the possibly fake alien there is still the ghosts footage, IMO the freakiest of all the UFO/alien etc videos I've seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xlyofmznOs 

but thats not really to do with UFOs.

So, tell me. Why can't these things belong to aliens? Why are you guys saying there are no such thing as aliens? I'm sure there are species out there wanting to focus purely on science and space travel, and not playstations, 9 til 5's and war.

One more vid! Norad gets involved: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpsVDopXLEs

[evenwolf]

Despite the possibly fake alien there is still the ghosts footage, IMO the freakiest of all the UFO/alien etc videos I've seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xlyofmznOs 

The family camping in the woods -   they seem to be looking at something like a flashlight moving over a mosquito net.  Or simply over the leaves of trees.   Its wavy like smoke but doesn't move like smoke so I believe the waviness is due to the leaves or the screen material.   I'd love to try to recreate the effect to see if it could be done as convincing as this instance.

Its totally possible it wasnt staged by the person filming, but by a friend trying to scare them.   But why is the camera on a tripod if this was so quickly "Hey what was that?!  Set the camera up on a tripod and film toward those trees!"

[Darth Mandarb]

So, tell me. Why can't these things belong to aliens? Why are you guys saying there are no such thing as aliens? I'm sure there are species out there wanting to focus purely on science and space travel, and not playstations, 9 til 5's and war.

I definitely think there are aliens out there.

I truly believe there are even races of aliens out there that are exploring the universe for other intelligent life (do we qualify?).

But "space is big.  Really big.  You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is."  They could spend eons searching and never find anything.  I think it extremely unlikely that the two separate species/races would ever bump into each-other.  Even if they did they might well not recognize the other as a form of life.

* shrugs *

This is, however, one of those things I would love to be proven wrong on

[evenwolf]

This is, however, one of those things I would love to be proven wrong on

Which is why we need to be careful not to jump the gun with inconclusive evidence... and need to scrutinize potential fakes and not encourage others to turn a profit on other people's imaginations.   (unless they are honest about lying... like Steven Spielberg's filmmaking* for example)



(Unless George Lucas wrote the script... then it probably should be discouraged )

[EldKatt]

Still, I think it's a very important point to remember that even the skeptics (a term I tend to use in a positive sense) think the prospect of, say, alien visitation is just as awesome as the believers think it is. We would love to be proven wrong. I hear time and time again UFO believers, alternative medicine folk, psi proponents and such claim that the skeptics want them to be wrong, feel that their world-view is threatened, and desperately try to avoid the notion. Nothing could be further from the truth. Seriously, you think I wouldn't absolutely love to see an alien or even traces of one, cure cancer with water, or communicate telepathically? I would! You seriously think most scientists would feel threatened by having another riddle to solve? No, that's why most of them became scientists in the first place! So why would they be denying it in absurdum and refuse to be convinced out of pure stubbornness, as suggested? Without even bringing the whole philosophy of science into it, I think the mere implausibility of that attitude coming from people who love finding out how stuff really is (even if it's sort of fucked up, like relativity theory or quantum mechanics, or threatening to an existing philosophy, like evolution--all of which caught on fairly quickly given sufficient evidence--because they make sense!) regarding a subject that is absolutely awesome should be enough to shatter that idea... But apparently it's not. And you know why I think this is? Because, unlike with a skeptic, there's no convincing a believer...

[Chicky]

Evidence I'd like to suggest is crop circles.

From this month:

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From June this year:

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From August 2001:
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All from Wiltshire, UK. It gets dark at about 10pm and light by 4am. Fuck knows how a group of people could carry out so much accuracy in such a short space of time. And did you know the crop is undamaged, though sometimes perfectly mutilated to "bend"?

WILTSHIRE! ARRRRRR... Why did you post a picture of my garden M0ds?

[m0ds]

Hehehe...because it has pretty circles in it!

Latest on UFOs that I've been checking up on, is the blue ring ufo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARSjWG608RI (california)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=481845wv5Q0 (rocky mountains)

And being seen all over the world are the moving UFO fleets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb5ftznMvMo (oxon, down the road from me!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGDGXuTMpYE (dundee, wisconsin)

Also come to light is a recording of two fighter jet pilots circling & inspecting a hovering object from a couple of years ago, both cannot explain why it is motionless in the sky.

There's a nice compilation of UFOs in the news
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE0ewjpLuc0

Someone also spotted a UFO in nuke test footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQfLPL--tKQ

And some more in infra red. I hope to get an IR capable camera at some point in my life, if these guys haven't made themselves known before then. But I think they will

[Tuomas]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1462047.ece

MOONWALK astronaut Edgar Mitchell has revealed aliens exist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhNdxdveK7c

well he of all should know it

[Nacho]

Edgar Mitchell is a die hard believer who never stop surprising us with things like that from time to time... He was one of the "witnesses" of the Roswell Incident, being proved after that he never had nothing to see with that events. He might be senile, or something... People like him is what in the "skeptic" word is labeled as a "elite witness", which basically means "important people can goofe as well...".

Like the scientists building the Nuke-Bomb in the Manhattan project... They called the officer in task of the AA gun to shoot to the "object" they were seeing in the sky and that was going to "attack the residential complex where they and their families were living". The officer replied that "I don't care how many nobels they have, I am not going to shoot to Venus".

Yes, there can be "freaks" also in the high spheres.

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

He can be sane and really believe he's right.  That doesn't mean he is right, though.  After listening to his interview he's just spouting the same spiel people like Marcel did about Roswell.  I think that the 'story' of UFO's has become so widespread that basically everyone knows the stories and start to subconsciously borrow from the whole UFO culture to form abduction stories, contact events, and the like.

Also note that at the end of the interview he clearly admits he has no firsthand experience and cites 'friends' who have seen UFO's and aliens as evidence.

[evenwolf]

Just the other night I was driving at night and saw some hovering lights.   I started thinking about mods and this thread.   The lights were WAY up there and I had no idea what it could be.   

Checklist:  plane... no, helicopter, no.   Building.... way too high.

The next day I drove past the same area and realized I had been staring up at a mountain.    The lights were just HIGH HIGH HIGH up there and it was otherwise pitch black...   if I had been slightly intoxicated I'm sure I would have SWORN it was a UFO.   On that note, there are too many unexplained phenomenon that aren't phenomenal at all.  I don't trust second hand stories one bit.

[m0ds]

Wrote a long reply, session timed out, extremely pissed off and cant be arsed to retype.

Just keep an eye on the evidence flowing in from all corners of the world. That interview with the astronaut is a real eye opener, like Tuomas says, not really someone who's going to bullshit. Anyone with Virgin On demand should watch The Day After Roswell, another good show to get you thinking.

Evenwolf, so whats your explanation? People climbing the mountain?

[evenwolf]

It was a house.